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April 6, 2009

A Time for Every Season: Turn Turn Turn

Filed under: Theology — paul8bee @ 8:22 pm
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I was listening to a old music recording today called Turn Turn Turn by the Byrds. 1965.

The lyrics come from the bible passages of Ecclesiastes 3

I am by no means a hard core Bible Thumper nor am I a Religious Zealot nor am I an rebel without a cause. But the early 60’s did rock my world, and I like to think that at least some of what I am today had its roots in the bible, and songs like this.

Here is the Bible text that that the lyrics came form.

1 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under heaven:

2 a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,

3 a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,

4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,

5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain,

6 a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,

7 a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,

8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.

9 What does the worker gain from his toil? 10 I have seen the burden God has laid on men. 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end. 12 I know that there is nothing better for men than to be happy and do good while they live. 13 That everyone may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all his toil—this is the gift of God. 14 I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that men will revere him.

15 Whatever is has already been,
and what will be has been before;
and God will call the past to account. [a]

16 And I saw something else under the sun:
In the place of judgment—wickedness was there,
in the place of justice—wickedness was there.

17 I thought in my heart,
“God will bring to judgment
both the righteous and the wicked,
for there will be a time for every activity,
a time for every deed.”

18 I also thought, “As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. 19 Man’s fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath [b]; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal [c] goes down into the earth?”

22 So I saw that there is nothing better for a man than to enjoy his work, because that is his lot. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?


April 5, 2009

God: a defenition

Filed under: atheist,religion — paul8bee @ 11:54 pm
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Intro to Defining things:

Describe the taste of chicken.  Those who have eaten chicken know for certain what it tastes like, and, given a taste test between chicken and a banana, would most likely be able to tell the difference between the two.

But to define the taste of chicken by saying that chicken does not taste like a banana, does not describe what it actually tastes like, you are only saying what it does not taste like.  The best way to find out for yourself what chicken tastes like is to go and eat some.

But what about god? Can anyone really describe with accuracy the concept of god?  To those who claim to know god, the explanations may seem simple to understand, especially to others who have had the same experience. But what of those who have no concept at all of god, for e.g. the atheist?

With the atheist,  it may be impossible  to get them to understand a concept of god. It might be easier to describe taste of sound. The concept of god is just too abstract for some people, to make any sense.  Some concepts are impossible to grasp, but some others are a little more palatable, (so to speak)

My Favorite Definitions of God:

1> God is absolute Reality.

Reality, being the sum total of all its parts, Including all and excluding none.
Then realize that human beings can only comprehend a small portion of that reality, and that different people are tuned into different parts of this reality. Example, a blind man will comprehend light differently than someone with good eyesight.
Then I recognize that ‘thought’ is also a part of reality, and that God, need exist no where else but in ones own thoughts, or mind. (that god does exist in the hearts and minds of people, but is not limited to that space alone.)

(Now is God absolute Reality? I do not know for certain, and in the absence of absolute certainty, I am forced to rely on faith. I do tend to ‘Favor’ that idea, but will give way to a better idea if it should come my way.)

2>  God is energy, constantly dissolving and reforming. This energy can not be created nor can it be destroyed. It exists only to express itself in new forms.

(Now since energy and matter are interchangeable , they are actually different forms of the same thing, I like this idea too. But is god really energy that has condensed into matter and matter than has dissolved back into energy? I do not know for sure either.)

3> God is a living being that all things are a part of.

(I like this too.  Its like the knee bone is connected to the thigh bone, and the thigh bone is connected to the foot bone etc. Since I am a living being,  I am part of the earth because I need food and water, The food needs the sun to grow, and gravity to keep the water flowing, the sun needs the rest of the solar system to keep in its proper orbit.  So I can see how I am a part of it all.  Just hold your breath for 5 minutes, you will soon see that you cannot survive for long without air, and air comes from plants. You get the picture?)

4>God was  an alien species, who were on the way to earth to colonize it. Human beings were  self replicating robots, designed by the aliens,  who were sent to earth in advance., with a mission  to survey the earth and then prepare things for the landing.

The humans sent visual, auditory and other information back to the mother ship with telepathy. Telepathy was  to the aliens what radio is today. The humans were controlled by the aliens also by telepathy. They were directed to different parts of the globe to explore.

However, the mother ship ran into an asteroid and was destroyed. The telepathy link was broken and the humans were left without direction. The humans, however,  were programed to survive,  and since they no longer had  the direction of the alien god species they developed their own self consciousness.

The telepathy mechanism still functions today, and this is why we have people looking up to the sky in search of god. They are waiting for instructions from the mother ship.

( I like this one. It inspires my imagination. Makes me wonder what these gods looked like. But I tend to put less favor on this definition of god. Possible, yes, but likely, no.)

5> I like this too. Neat idea>


First published Tue Jun 4, 1996; substantive revision Thu May 17, 2007

Pantheism is a metaphysical and religious position. Broadly defined it is the view that (1) “God is everything and everything is God … the world is either identical with God or in some way a self-expression of his nature” (Owen 1971: 74). Similarly, it is the view that (2) everything that exists constitutes a “unity” and this all-inclusive unity is in some sense divine (MacIntyre 1967: 34). A slightly more specific definition is given by Owen (1971: 65) who says (3) “‘Pantheism’ … signifies the belief that every existing entity is, only one Being; and that all other forms of reality are either modes (or appearances) of it or identical with it.” Even with these definitions there is dispute as to just how pantheism is to be understood and who is and is not a pantheist. Aside from Spinoza, other possible pantheists include some of the Presocratics; Plato; Lao Tzu; Plotinus; Schelling; Hegel; Bruno, Eriugena and Tillich. Possible pantheists among literary figures include Emerson, Walt Whitman, D.H. Lawrence, and Robinson Jeffers. Beethoven (Crabbe 1982) and Martha Graham (Kisselgoff 1987) have also been thought to be pantheistic in some of their work — if not pantheists.

God Is Consciousness

What if god were conscious life itself. It takes awareness to know reality exists at all. A rock can not know it  exists, or can it? Life begets new life. Consciousness begets new consciousness. If god were alive, then you would know god by becoming aware of life itself.

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